"We give up" : Punk Gangs too much for Calgary Police
Heard today in news bites from QR77 radio: Police cheif Jack Beaton tells city council; "Gangs are here to stay". He explained the police will do all they can but gangs are just too hard to bust.
Excuse me???
Stares in disbelief.
Now.. a top cop telling me he can't do his job (make the city a very bad place for criminals to set up operations) may wash with insulated pinkos like Bronconier, but when the head of my police department, who is making more than most private sector managers, tells you that there is nothing he can do with street gangs and gang violence...after the virtual carte blanche slate the police were given with the anti-gang laws and several justice department laws which allows them virtually all the legal leway short of, (and possibly including), murder,..that they can't do anything with common vicious little street punks running typical street crime cons.. How lame is that?
How well equiped are they to deal with the mob or terrorists? Are they admitting they're only good for flying desks at $80K a year and handing out photo blackmail to hard working motorists? Do I really feel safe when the top cop publicly surrenders to these vicious punks and then will throw me in jail for protecting myself when they have abandoned their duty?
Why are we paying police when what they are telling us is that there is no way we can be removed from a state of criminal anarchy anyway....I'll save my money and take care of myself...just let me use my gun to protect myself if you can't/won't. I wonder how popular burglaries would be if a few of these goblins were laid out on a slab by armed home owners?
Time to fire the fat-assed do nothing bureaucrat wearing custom taylored police uniforms and hire a real cop....at the very least "to send the right message" to the police function that citizens will not be ripped off for their fat saleries only to be abandoned to the mercies of street gangs.
The time has come to again hire real cops...sheep dogs who WANT to protect the sheep...we've been hiring sheep to guard sheep from wolves or we put muzzels on our sheepdogs and dull their fangs and claws because we fear they may hurt the wolves feelings with their barking.
Time to abandon the practice of putting a police uniform on a social experiment or politically correct guina pigs....We need to hire cops again...like the ones Calgary had ,who, in the first 60 years of the force, ran punks like this out of town with their arms broken and a warning not to come back...guess what?.. they never came back. Calgary had the lowest crime rates for a city its size until we saw Al Doer use the force as a lib-left affimative action experiment. That's when we lost a real cop as a cheif and the agenda of the force became less one as protectors of the community but perveyors of politically correct values....sorry Al, sorry Christine, PC don't stop punks from hurting citizens.
When will we realize the police department and police functiuon is NOT a social experiment in multicult and affirmative action.... IT'S THE THIN BLUE LINE STUPID! ....and we don't need any sissies or confused political quislings standing on the thin line between civilization and the barbaric hordes of criminal psychopaths out there.
posted by W.L. Mackenzie Redux | 4:48 PM
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Makes you want to not be a Calgary rate pater doesn't it? Perhaps this is why new home starts in Calgary's bedroom communities are going wild....lots of monied, mobile people bailing on the crime and mismanagement in Cowberg....ph and they probably smell one other thing on the wind that makes 'em restless fer the country side...every major city that succumbs to the plague that infects their city councils with junior league Liberal politicians ends up with whopping tax bills....Calgary's rate hike is coming and I won't be there for them to tap my purse for ther degenerate Libby spending spree...I'm in Okotoks. ;-)
This sounds exactly like the New Orleans police, who cut and ran when the going got tough, too.
Lives were lost and they still do not get it and the Mayor refuses to accept the responsibility that was his, heaping scorn on the president to deflect his dismal performance.
The socialist politically correct movement has all but destroyed decent society. The 'entitlement' philosophy simply does not work nor has it ever.
President Bush is unpopular with these factions but extremely popular with the majority of Americans. Unfortunately, as in this country the left have the bully pulpit and use it often.
Time to get them all off their soapboxes and relagated to the obscurity of failed history before our society is ruined beyond repair.
This compares glaringly with our heroes from Canada and the US who fight now in Afghanistan and Iraq. Hard slogging but they are well trained, dedicated and loyal to the principles most of us hold dear.
Where are those who would step into the breach and wear the uniform of the Calgary police? Obviously the ones now in uniform do not deserve to wear it.
They'll have two choices, deal with it now, or deal with it when it's out of control later. Eventually, it will be totally out of control.
That's a pretty sad statement, Bill, particularly when, as you mention and we all know, Jane or Joe Q Public isn't allowed to defend their homes with anything other than an unloaded baseball bat.
I've also heard that the RCMP won't chase down the drugrunners on Hwy 2 when they're running in a crowd of 2 or more cars - their cars are faster than the cops and they're armed better, and there just aren't enough cops on the highway to travel in caravans themselves.
Snowbunnie1 said...
"The socialist politically correct movement has all but destroyed decent society."
Well, Politically Correct social engineering (intituional and cultural Stalinism) as we see it in North America is more of a Machination of Moonbattery as it is socialist/communist social engineering....you can't name me one socialist or communist country that has let their civilian police service become so hamstrung with gender/ethnic/race/equity politics that it essentially can no longer function as a force against criminals.
Any common street gangs in Moscow, Havana or Beijing that the cheif of police says he cannot clean up? Justice is pretty swift for common violent criminals in the socialist world. It is the the degenerate decadence and intellectual narcissism of north American socialist deconstructionism which allows us to degrade our cultural and civil institutions with sophomoric social experimenting.
Snowbunnie1 said..."Where are those who would step into the breach and wear the uniform of the Calgary police? Obviously the ones now in uniform do not deserve to wear it."
There are many in the force and who should be in the force but they are either stifled by PC politics, kep out by racist employment policy (race quotas) or they are turned off joining the force because it has become nothing but a toothless social experiment and they want their passion to actually make a positive difference in society.
What the force does seem to attract these days are quasi- pedagogues who think the theories they learned in "police sciences" and various other inprecise theory-ridden pretentious psycho-babble studies, applies on the street. This type view the force as a "career" and street beat time as only your leg up on the bureaucratic ladder of an administration top heavy bureaucracy. Put in some street time and pluck patronage plumbs in the burecratic food chain.
The cops we used to see were stalwart types who saw the job as an essential civil duty and they took it on bcause they felt that maybe they were a bit better equiped to fight criminals than the average granny or timorous citizen...they were always the atheletes and class leaders in their school days and the kind of kids that felt plaing a fair game by the rules an losing was more importent than cheating or bending the rules and winning.
The prototype cop saw the criminal element for what it was: vicious, scheming, predatory, cowardly opportunists who prey on the side of society trying to play by the rules. This cop realized the average civilian either shuns or hadn't the means to deal with these sociopaths on their own level (which is what is needed to defeat them) > The prototype cop knew that the criminal thrives in the fairness and liberty of a free open society and uses this as a weapon against that society. The prototype cop admires and protects the principles of justice in his society but there is still enough civil vigilante in him to grind his teeth when he sees a known criminal escape justice by working the system....at that point he will generally act in the capacity as a free lance public guardian and make sure the treat from this free ranging criminal is nullified by other means...his concern is for the citizenry and their safety...not his own advancement through the dung-littered politburo of an over politicized police bureaucracy.
This prototype cop is still out there but cannot function in a police buraucracy which produces social welfare workers, Politically correct policy enforcers, social engineering disciples and selfish unionist ladder climbers.
Candace said...
"That's a pretty sad statement, Bill, particularly when, as you mention and we all know, Jane or Joe Q Public isn't allowed to defend their homes with anything other than an unloaded baseball bat."
Well, Candice what you are seeing is the result of the police function and the judicial system being seized by political ideology and abandoning their traditional prime purpose in society. These institutions now have as a prime directive the enforcement of "policy" not law or justice. And politically correct policy of the political masters who run these institutions is that Gender/race/ethnic/lib-left idealism politics take precedence over the core need for public safety and blind justice.
It is more important that we propagate the idiom of the gunless utopia and see unarmed civilians killed by criminals with guns than it is to do the just and responsible thing and let them defend themselves when the police function is unable to.
It is more important to have a police force that has the right quota of race ethnicity and gender that Multicult politics demand than it is to have a force with an outstanding arrest -conviction rates and a low crime city....symbolism over substance, the Liberal credo at work undermining the police function.
Candace said...
"I've also heard that the RCMP won't chase down the drugrunners on Hwy 2 when they're running in a crowd of 2 or more cars"
Here we see another degenerater of the police function at work...that is the imposition of unionism and unionist mentality into police duty...this is a mentality that is confrontational and pits the cop against his employer ( the public) in an "us and them" relationship. This widens the gap between police and the public further. We see the police becoming insulated from those they serve by union politics, errant laws and enforcement edicts and indoctrination. Not only is this unsafe for the cop on the beat who RELIES on the public for his information and support, but it is dangerous when a population distrust, or have contempt for law enforcement officers.
We know that the union "entitlement" attitude is what causes airport customs security to refuse (strike) to do their duties because of "occupational hazard" so they dictate the terms of their job function to the management (us) and the main duty of seeking and stopping terrorists becomes moot or secondary to the institution’s function becoming a make-work public trough for unionist freeloaders.....but they get paid anyway while effectiveness against terrorists deminishes...
....similarly, police unionism has done the same thing to a lesser degree, but what you describe here with this example demonstrates the truth of my observation. The cops think chasing after crooks ( their core duty) is too dangerous and beyond the scope of the terms of employment their union has dictated to the management ( us) so they let crooks go because the union says chasing them is an "unwarranted occupational hazard" and demands either extra "hazard pay", or an end to the policy or expensive technology that makes policing 100% "safe". Lost in this is the point that police are paid to locate and stop criminal by whatever means at their disposal….ignoring a crime in progress due to safety concerns is not only craven but illegal as per the police charter function.
BTW: at the risk of angering any of my friends who may subscribe to gender politics or unionist equity dogma, I never heard the concept of "police safety" mentioned as a primary concern of the police function ( it was always public safety first and police risk management) until gender politics changed the make up of front line ranks and unionism started changing "duties" into "job hazards". If an officer ( male or female) is too timorous of the risks in front line police duty, then they should relinquish the position and pay and take a lesser position where the “job risk” is at a level commensurate with their intestinal fortitude. The new politicized police force seems to want equity in everything but guts.
The prototype cop never mentioned "job hazard" he knew the risks came with the territory. The fact that the new police function cower in their duties and plea for more power, more armor, more technology and bigger weapons to combat “well armed crooks” yet support Liberal-left policy which disarms and disempowers civilians exposed to the same risk, is positively immoral and civilly irresponsible.
If this new police union is going to claim a monopoly on the use of defensive force, then civilians should be able to sue for loss when this monopoly fails to protect a state dictated disarmed and helpless civilian.
It is this inequity that estranges police from these they are supposed to serve...it changes the relationship from protector and protected to empowered and disempowered and controller and controlled. That state of civil relationship is exactly opposite to what sir Robert Peel envisioned in a civilian police force.
ABFreedom said...
"They'll have two choices, deal with it now, or deal with it when it's out of control later. Eventually, it will be totally out of control."
Witness the crime in TO, Vancouver, Edmonton and Winnipeg...this is where Calgary id going with their lefty utopian city council and its choir boy police department.
The combine for high taxes and high crime.
When Hitler took the guns from ordinary citizens, his street bully boys had a free run of it. Can't you see the same thing happening here in Canada? Think "GUN REGISTRATION".
AS for cops, where the Hell is Dirty Harry when you need him?
All I know Aizlynne is that my sources tell me that the Calgary cops are only busting 2% of the grow ops and drug "cook" labs that are running in the town...the drug money attracts the scum who fight for turf ( market share)...their markets are in the US not Calgary so you can imagine the volume of drugs that are flowing south and east from Cow town...and the cash trade involved....there is so much black market untraceable money involved in this trade you gotta wonder what the hell is going on with the lack of busts...all crime stems from the illicit drug industry...and it's booming in Calgary faster than legit business....there is a connection there if you dare look for it or even complain about it.
Can anyone verify that Calgary is also the mortgage fraud capital of North America?
Something like $350 million last year alone.
Well Bill I live in Turner Valley so I also escape Calgary politics.
But back to the cops, I was in town today and drove through a school zone and there were four cop cars. Makes you wonder.
Great discussion going on.
There is also the matter of punishment. Its one thing for the police to enforce the laws, but their arrests have seemingly little or no consequence to the crook. Jail times are a joke. I once read that Corrections Canada no longer in any official way believes in “punishment”, only “rehabilitation”. So no matter how many times an offender may repeat, we continue trying to ‘rehabilitate’ him or her, no matter how hideous the crime. And at 2/3’s their sentence, they walk.
Could it be that the police have been neutered by our limp-wristed justice system?
Remember New York City... home of rampant murder, rape and crime. The reason you don't hear that anymore is that it's crime rate has plunged. The reason, Juliani and his Police chief put lots of cops on the streets and ruled with a no-nonsense attitude. They cleaned up the city (by American Standards) by simply getting tough. Jails had to be expanded simply for the Juliani jail rush.
I'll tell you what! Once crime in Calgary gets out of hand, the people will come out and vote and the city will get cleaned up... but in the meantime innocent citisens will die or be invaded until enough of them have had enough. I put the blame on the same people I blame for the New Orleans levee disaster... the voters!
Just as in the case where four mounties were gunned down by one man, our front line of defence is defenceless. Why would a young man put his life on the line for a justice system that does not support that sacrifice? Gun Registration takes away the honest citizens capacity to defend. It has not and never will do anything to reduce the ability of the criminal to have and continue to add to and acquire even more guns.
But we paid over 2 billion for that illusion and not one dime spent where it was needed most: More police, better equipped and a system that backs them up. The criminal gets all the rights in this country . Our police and honest citizens get short shrift.
Unless and until we refuse to put up with it, it will continue.
We have a huge capacity to put up with very high taxation with little to show for it. Our police get gunned down. We do nothing about it and even have a tolerance for what can only be described as a disgrace for a government in Ottawa. What exactly will it take for us to get fed up enough to stand up and give our front line protectors the kind of tools to do the job we expect of them to do?
If there are those who do not and cannot face the challenge, let them get out of the way for those who will. At the same time, however, WE have to make it clear we will tolerate nothing less than full support for a system that must have the teeth it needs to return law and order to the streets of this nation.
With that mess in Ottawa I would imagine we are going to have to start at the city level and work our way up. One cannot rely on Ottawa to do a damn thing useful at the best of times. Hardly in the worst as it seems we are in now.
Anonymous said...
"Can anyone verify that Calgary is also the mortgage fraud capital of North America?
Something like $350 million last year alone."
Yes. And my ex-wife was a victim...
.....the scam is that a crooked freelance agent and lawyer and a loans officer work together to sell a piece of real-estate that is worth far less than the asking price...they tell the victim they can make some big money flipping this property...all they need is a DP and their name on the deed until it's flipped at a profit in a month, the victim gets a mortgage for a vastly overpriced property that they buy on speculation and they get a lawyer approved transaction and a mortgage with no effort...then the agent,lawyer,mortgage broker/agent walk with the DP and the victim is left with backbreaking mortgage payments that they default on and then go through the foreclosure process....the mortgage company never complains because they get their mortgage principle back from CMHA or the many private mortgage guarantors in business in Alberta.
The real shame of this scam is that the mortgage company gets paid by mortgage insurance so this scam is not pursued.....there is ample blame in the various regulatory bodies for their licensee professionals letting down the victim by not doing fiduciary duty...the lawyer did not look out for his client when he rubber stamps these flaky deals....any realty agent licensed by AREA is engaged in fraud and AREA is liable for the damages...but CMHC pays the mortgage lender who is seen as the "victim" not the mortgage holder work was defrauded with the over inflated property he has to go into foreclosure with.
I realize it is a buyer beware world and the victim is expected to know what they are buying but they trusted their agent and mortgage lender....that's the real culprit here...what the hell is going on with a bank who will lend mortgage money on a property which sale price is highly over inflated ...they have a duty to their mortgage insurer to do a market value assessment on the property before allowing a loan...this never seems to have been done in the 4-5 odd cases I'm aware of. I think the fraud squad in the Calgary force ( a meager 3 detectives) should be looking at lenders who loan money unquestioningly on bad deals and then get their money back through CMHA leaving only a victim of property fraud to go through foreclosure and bankruptcy.
Calgary’s hot realty market is Canada's capital for this scam and I know people who make a good living buying the foreclosed properties at 60-75 cents on the dollar.
This is a crime that is not pursued because it's seen to be victimless ( except for the poor sap that got stuck with the mortgage on an inflated real estate scam) because the bank gets their payment and CNHC gets their pay through the sale of the property by the courts....the deposit down payment and mortgage payments of the defrauded victim are not considered worth charging the parties in the sale with fraud.
Realty/Mortgage fraud is a cancer and a civic frikking shame for all Calgarians who give a damn about keeping their community a principled place where business was done with a handshake.and I advise ANYONE in the market for real estate in Calgary to only do business with well established larger realty firms and for god sake get a property assesment before you buy then insure your mortgage with GE capital.
I also want to give a tip of the hat to detective Ernie in the Calgary police force’s fraud unit…he’s a dedicated but totally overworked man who is losing the battle because of lack of help and buy-in by the department’s brass who are more concerned with photo radar revenues and affirmative action programs than criminal fraud. Write your council member and complain.
Snowbunnie1 said...
"we paid over 2 billion for that illusion,snip>
Unless and until we refuse to put up with it, it will continue."
Profound thinking and really this is the bottom line on the matter of all our civil institutions which have been under neglectful management for the past 2 decades.
As Bunny states with the gun registry...much of what government tells us we have or what we are is largely an illusion which we pay large money for and recieve very little. the Police function, national security, free open democracy and our global image....all are becoming an illusion painted by the political elite to what we actually are and have.
I get a well deserved chuckle at Liberal bots who mouth the hollow partisan mantras baout Canada...healthcare, peacekeepers, greatest nation on earth...you know the basic cloying politically indoctrinated myths.....particularly when realities are starkly different we have a have an unsustainable brioken health system mismanaged by Ottawa, our welfare state has been defunded by debt payments and corrup redirection of revenues, our personal security against violent crime is not much better or worse than many areas of the evil "gun culture" down south and we have less resources and spend less on global "peace keeping than Swaziland. We have a trade surplus at risk because of insane socialist taunting of our largest market and the nation is more fragmented with regionalism as a result of Liberal confrontational election tacktics.
Yet the endless reaffimation of the myths continues in the mSM and political officialdom...then is mindlessly chanted by a nation populated with indoctrinated borg.
What we say we are and what we really are are two separtate things. The lies/myths that are repropagated for our consumption by a corrupt political ruling class does not wash with thiose observers outside the Kanukistani media's sphere of influence.
Much of the global business community see Canada for what it is> a shakey, factionalized federation with a corrupt oligarchy in charge who only retain power with a vast propaganda network which spins a mythological utopian image to it's citizens and the world community alike.
Canada operates as a kleptocracy economically and a mythocracy socially...functional Canada is a myth. We are a nation in decline.
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On today's Calgary Global News (channel 7), there was a good commentary about the real reason for Jack Beaton's long overdue admission that - surprise, surprise- Calgary has a gang problem, and its not going away and CPS needs more money added to its 200 million dollar budget to fight gangsters.
Steve Chapman is absolutely right. Jack's defeatist and immature comments on the teley are motivated by an intent to squeeze money out of the province, so that Beaton can shut down more websites and crush his critics.
As a CPS member, I can tell you for a fact that Jack is the most despised Chief in Calgary's history. He appears to be losing some support from the lads on city council, too. The same sods that renewed his contract not very long ago.
If Jack can't make ends meet with 200 million dollars, perhaps he should pay his own legal bills and use the budget more wisely. But, given the state of the service nowadays, Jacko will no doubt squander the shillings he's been given, before jumping ship and passing on the gang problem to his successor. "Please help us Obi Wan Kenobi. You're our only hope."
Thanks for the input Anon.....and the complaint link. Do you really think that the issues that hamstring the calgary force can be cured by dumping budget bumbling Beaton?..or is there something deeper.
The Cheif that came from London to Toronto and was making a dent in the Jamacan gangs was fired by politically correct council and the commie dog of a mayor they hired....maybe Calgary can get him cheap and give him wide berth to change the Calgary force back into a policing unit.
I agre with Junker as well, getting good cops who are dedicated and keeping them also depends on clearing the crown attorney's office out of PC weavils as well and reading the riot act to the "rehab activists" who have infected the bench.
The gang that is the biggest problem in calgary is the gang of tyrants running the police service.
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